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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:27:00 -
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Geligdio Khan wrote:So saying, GÇ£I want to be safe in high sec and just to be an industrialistGÇ¥ is inherently creating a two tier system, where the PVPers take all the risk and then industrialists get all the rewards. ItGÇÖs unbalanced. I am a mining magnate. I am a steel maker. I am a manufacturer. I make tanks, guns and airplanes. I have people I pay to travel the world and sell my products. I may even have people travelling the world to make sure people have a reason to use my products.
I am wealthy beyond measure. I have never used a gun in my life. I have no need of bodyguards. I do not wear a kevlar jacket or a helmet 
Someone else does the fighting.
Even if that someone else is fighting for me, I must continue to supply them. I am as important as the fighter. If he does not have the tools to fight, he cannot protect me either.
I have a job to do. I am doing it. I am the miner. I am the industrialist.
If I must be all things, then the fighter must become a miner and industrialist too.
So Endeth the Lesson.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:44:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: more waffle, butthurt, 0.0 BS and rant
You guys broke 0.0, you've tried twice to break highsec and now you're telling us the game is broken.
You're an absolute freaking genius and now we need you to "save the game now"?
M++nchausen syndrome by proxy much?
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:44:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:
If I must be all things, then the fighter must become a miner and industrialist too.
So Endeth the Lesson.
Your lesson is flawed on a very basic level. The assumption it carries within it is that the fighters *aren't* already producing etc., etc., We do. ALL OF YOU?? lol. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:47:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:
If I must be all things, then the fighter must become a miner and industrialist too.
So Endeth the Lesson.
Your lesson is flawed on a very basic level. The assumption it carries within it is that the fighters *aren't* already producing etc., etc., We do. ALL OF YOU?? lol. You'd be surprised. Actually I'm not surprised. I KNOW a lot of these guys are PvP'ers and have alts in highsec. And the point is - so what?
They can readily build the stuff in highsec. It's 20 seconds to JF back to 0.0. The problem is they want their indy AND PvP all in one handy location. They want to EXPORT to highsec so they can **** it over even more. That's it. That's the change that we all have to suffer for.
Greedy 0.0 man WANT IT ALL and they'll quote copious economic arguments, numbers bla bla bla to get their own way.
HOWEVER..... Stop for a moment and ponder....
Look for the underlying "no targets" bit that creeps in from time to time. Go and read Mittani's rant about why highsec needs a nerf. See any similarities. Mittani spoke and the Goons/FA/Test are almost quoting verbatim what Mittens wrote.
NO TARGETS - duh. Goons/FA/Test are bored because they killed everybody and what was left they blue'd up. There's no-one left to shoot!
They CREATED their own boredom and they want YOU to pay. They want CCP to pay.
0.0 is broken. Goons have tried twice to break highsec. They were roflstomped.
Now they are our "saviours"? Give me a break.
Look for the agenda. Look for the butthurt. It's all there. It's being obfuscated deliberately in a concerted campaign to **** over you, me and Eve in it's entirety.
Goons want payback and they want to say WE WON EVE while they do it.
Resistance.Is.Neccessary.
PS: Want proof. Count the posts for "must.nerf.highsec.". Do you see who they are? "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 03:01:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: ...that does seem rather powerblock friendly though as the only entities which can readily use secure markets without tax penalties are those with some reasonable control of the surrounding space. Lesser entities without secure markets and those needing materials lacking in their respective regions would find themselves potentially at a further disadvantage compared to powerful entities than already is the case.
THIS man get's it.
0.0 CFC wants to EXPORT to highsec so we can all bend over and take it at yet ANOTHER level.
How about we all agree to it when CCP completely redistribute tech moons right across 0.0 and include them in wormholes and in lowsec. Hey and highsec! Then the fights will be everywhere!!  "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 03:09:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:They can readily build the stuff in highsec. It's 20 seconds to JF back to 0.0. The problem is they want their indy AND PvP all in one handy location. They want to EXPORT to highsec so they can **** it over even more. That's it. That's the change that we all have to suffer for. So, the previous thread you were bitching about how we didn't want to build in nullsec because we were lazy, and now we want to build things in one handy location because we're lazy. It's almost as if you're taking a look at what the arguments are, and argue the exact opposite. Stop being a liar Zim.
I said you were lazy because you won't COMPETE against your OWN GUYS undercutting you in VFK. I also said that even if we closed highsec and gave you everything YOU still would not be able to compete because of how your friend, your corpmate, your ally, does his sums.
The competition is WITHIN. YOU have the exact same tools, the exact same space, the exact same methods to compete.
You WON'T. For you, nothing will work because of your personal mindset. It's NOT the game at fault. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 06:38:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: Touval,
If I want to compete in null, I HAVE to import.
I stopped at the end of that sentence. That is MOSTLY true - I know that.
But ask, who are you competing against? Can I, as some 2 bit, 1 man corp, dock at VFK and sell? Answer NO.
1) So who is? We know it's one of YOUR own guys. 2) Where is he getting HIS stuff from? 3) Why aren't you doing the same thing?
If it's enough of a problem to need highsec nerfed and you're all leaving, why doesn't the alliance just ban importing? Really? That's why I know this is BS. It's EASILY fixed.
But you won't because the mindset is - why should we? And I agree. So just ask to fix 0.0 slots and leave highsec the **** alone. It's CHEAPER to produce there than in highsec. Immediate competition.
A highseccer competes against highseccers EVERY day in EVERY station. And not one of us ***** that we cannot "compete". We just deal with it.
What you WON'T do is buy your stuff in highsec and sell in 0.0. You CAN. You WON'T.
Easier to nerf highsec apparently. A 20 second "flight"....
Just for the record, as an indy guy in 0.0 it was MUCH easier to use Loquitur from FA and just buy my own stuff for ops etc. while I seeded the market with stuff NOT being imported to 9DQ, PXF, 6V all the way back to CR. I made heaps of coin - heaps.
Psst.. We were also EXPORTING.... Freighters go BOTH ways..... "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 07:08:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:"ban importing from hisec, that will solve all your problems" durr Occams Razor.
Quote:One should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. The simplest available theory need not be most accurate.
And I have repeatedly said .........UNTIL CCP give more slots which is all you really need. You may have missed that post.
Again. Using Occams Razor. Keep it simple. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:or the consequences of their CHOICE to play
...a multiplayer game ...where undocking in consenting to get pew pew'd ...playing the game wrong I'm not a hair splitter... (well yes I am but meh).
Multi player game means there is more than one player in the game. Not sure how this became - you must interact.
player 1> o/ fellow player player 2> gtfo. i do not want to talk to you player 1> this is a multiplayer game you know?!
Consenting means you accept that you might to be killed. It does not mean will, nor does it mean you should.
player 1> dude, your in hospital with a bullet wound! what happened? player 2> i was in my car and some dude shot me player 1> wtf!! what a dirty rotten so-and-so! player 2> it's ok. i consented, i left my house and drove to work.
Playing wrong? How can anyone play the game wrong? It's a sandbox.
player 1> dude! no! that's not how you play eve! player 2> if i want to mine with a logi, why the hell not? player 1> because you just, you know, don't. it's not cool.
Carry on.  "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:15:00 -
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Andski wrote:I mean I have the self control needed not to punch somebody in the face when they make fun of how bad I am at a video game I make the same claim.
But it's only cos I don't know where they live.
HANG ON!!!
Aren't I responding to the results of a post from a guy that started his "forum career" whining about nastee peeples on the internetz and how badz they poasts?
now he's advocating punching heds? THAT guy? "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:32:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: ...direct us all to the threads started by pvpers crying about not wanting to bring risk to high sec.
Not being picky dude but that would be like a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops and fast food joints. 
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:41:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: ...direct us all to the threads started by pvpers crying about not wanting to bring risk to high sec.
Not being picky dude but that would be like a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops and fast food joints.  What in the hell does that even have to do with what I quoted? Did I miss something? Am I supposed to be rambling off a bunch of unrelated jibberish when I repsond to people? Should I be responding to you with, well how in the world do you bake a cake without flour? reread your own post snippet. then read mine again.
find the post where pvpers saying they don't want risk. find me a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops.
no? don't get it? shame. it was a well crafted pun.
nvm.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:46:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:"because a fat kid likes cake"
...but most people in null don't want to nerf the hell out of high sec ...we just don't want to be disadvantaged because we choose to play in the part of the game that is entirely player driven.
It was icecream.
Only the CFC guys want it changed because Mittens said so. Given you only have 49.5% of null, that's not most. Correct.
Reread that last line and tell me how that might relate to a highsec carebear. Go on. Put the carebear hat on and reread it. See anything?
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
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Posted - 2012.10.31 21:19:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: "because mittens told us to" Obvously not because we play in null and therefore KNOW.
Indeed. I owned a cat, a horse, 3 budgies and a dog once. I am therefore a vet. (<< pun intended)
OK. Let's cut the crap and keep this simple.
Hypothetical:
CCP, tomorrow morning, in their infinite wisdom, cascade to your forum whines like they so obviously did for carebears and give you 10,000 x 0.0 station slots with no escalating penalty for use. The cost to use is set by alliance.
Will that make you happy? Y/N Would that stop you calling for highsec "fixes"? Y/N "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
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Posted - 2012.11.01 04:53:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: stuff about can't make enough money selling **** in null
I know exaclty what you're saying Antsett, I call it the Woolworths Effect
Woolworths is an Aussie supermarket chain selling mass product at lower prices - we also have corner stores selling same at higher prices for convenience. Two distinct niche type retail models.
You want people to be charged way above cost price at the supermarket so your corner store can gouge the customers for better margin.
What you desire is state sponsored protectionism.
And we're the communists?  "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
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Posted - 2012.11.01 07:47:00 -
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Andski wrote:also i love it when hiseccers think that removing local will make nullsec more favorable to small alliances
I'm apparently a highseccer and I absolutely refute even the remotest idea of removing local. Not only will it make a "highseccers' move/ stay in null even harder, it will promote nullseccers moving to high (and we do not need more of that).
No local on a geographical scale like 0.0 would be devastating. Perhaps the ones asking should try null for at least 3 months then revisit the topic from a learned eye.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.11.01 07:52:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Nah, you misunderstand Herzog, I want there to be stuff to gank for when I go on roams, not some sort of even emptier wasteland. Hence why your illogical, emotionally fuelled argument for no-local 0.0 isn't passing muster. A good case in point. Imagine having to scan every single system looking for someone who is probably not there but you do not know.
I've been on roams of 30-40 jumps or more to find someone to kill. Scout +2 all the way. If we have to wait for scanning off scout every system - no more roams.
On pre-emptive - local intel first and foremost tells you where red/neut is and roughly where they are going so you can err... go say hello. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:49:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Anslo wrote:Boy you sure are a charmer  I'm not here to charm anyone, this isn't a popularity contest. There's a line there..... But alas, I'm in a good mood today.
Quote:I was translating Herzog's post. With one breath he goes "you can't touch hisec", with the next he goes "but here's how we can make nullsec a ***** to live in". I was translating Zim's post. With one breath he goes "you can't touch nullsec", with the next he goes "but here's how we can make highsec a ***** to live in".
Just sayin'. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..." |

Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.11.02 07:53:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: That doesn't mean we have to accept the badly made, disingenuous arguments of some buttmad highsec carebear who starts making dumbass taunts whenever its calmly explained to him why his "idea" is bad.
seems everything i say is dumb and everything you guys say is soooo right.
your space is ****** and you want to **** my space to fix your space.
and i'm a "buttmad highsec carebear making dumbass taunts" because of it.
**** me brother. spare a dime? i need to pee.
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Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.11.02 07:59:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: For now anyway. After highsec gets buffed enough, it'll not be the case.
But rejoice, your L4s and belts of rocks will still be ready to accept you when you finally give in to CCP's vision of:
Highsec Online
so how much will it take to get you to emoragequitihatethisgamenow or you guys just gonna whine all day and night?
maybe if you nullwhiners stopped and did a emoragequitihatethisgamenow, this forum would die too yeah? be nothing for anyone to read.
Guys, Eve is dying because [insert any 5 of the CFC alliance poasters here] said so. waaaa... waaaa... "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..." |

Touval Lysander
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:36:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Get it now Touval? I'll wear that mate. My bad.
Saw my name, assumed the normal postition. 
(I've been Zimmified, makes ya get sensitive) "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..." |
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